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PrintRepublican Popularity Plummeting As They Continue Boarding The Crazy Train
News Type: Opinion — Fri Sep 4, 2009 2:51 AM EDT
GOP Favorability by Race: Jan to August 2009
GOP Favorability by Region: Jan to Aug 2009
GOP Favorability by Age: Jan to Aug 2009
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In a Research 2000 poll conducted a little over a month ago, only 42% of Republicans believed that Barack Obama was born in the United States. More than a quarter were convinced that he was not, and nearly a third were "not sure." This is almost identical to figures for Southerners from the same poll (47%, 23% and 30%, respectively). Despite the fact that the State of Hawaii has confirmed the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate, the existence of a birth announcement for Obama in Hawaiian papers of the time, and independent confirmation his birth certificate's authenticity by fact checking organizations who have examined the document, "concern" over Barack Obama's place of origin continues to be the preoccupation of white, conservative Southerners. Conservative certainty that Obama is a US citizen runs at about half that of the rest of the country.
The logic of the "birther" controversy seems to be that 48 years ago, "they" (an undefined and vague entity) determined that a black child named Barack Obama would someday run for president, requiring the insertion of false birth announcements in local newspapers. (Any other purpose would merely have required that he be a US citizen, which he inherently is due to his mother's citizenship.) It probably also required a concerted effort to convert Hawaii's birth records to a digital format (accomplished in 2000) to prevent the sort of detailed examination of doctors' signatures that would attend older records. This, of course, prompts reasonable questions-- why not simply pick a kid born in the US? Or a kid born to two white parents? Or better yet, a kid born into a privileged, wealthy family? And how was the conspiracy managed? How many people are part of it? Certainly, members of the State Department of Health of the State of Hawaii, at the very least.
69% of birthers are from the American South, and 75% of them are either Republican (56%) or "Independent" (19%). David Weigel of the Washington Independent calculated that roughly three-quarters of Southern whites have doubts as to whether President Obama was born in the US. Southern blacks and Latinos were more than 90% sure of Obama's US citizenship.
Consideration of Obama's election performance among white voters further highlights the white Southern conservative nature of opposition to Obama. Nationally, Obama's take of the white vote was 43%, which was better than either Gore or Kerry, and about the same as Clinton. But that achievement must be considered in the light of Obama's support amongst Southern whites. His percentage of the white vote was only 14% in Mississippi and Louisiana and only 10% in Alabama. It's hard to conclude that this is anything other than white Southern conservative fear over the structure of power being transferred into the hands of "The Other"-- minority "non-mainstream" hands.
Which puts partly into focus the absolute and total resistance of conservatives to even the most innocuous of Obama's proposals. Government spending to counteract the credit contraction which endangered our economy? Opposed (and even "blamed" on Obama when the initial raft of legislation occurred fully three months before his inauguration). A public option for health insurance? Vilified as tantamount to a Soviet-style centrally planned, government-run system of hospitals (when in fact it simply offers a Medicare-style option for insurance, something that a third of Americans already enjoy). A public-service talk encouraging American students to study hard? Socialist "indoctrination" and the start of American re-education camps. Recruiting for Obama's "Hitler youth."
Consider further the variety of overtly racist rhetoric that has plagued American politics since last year's election season. Haley Barbour's "right hand" speaking at a racist conference. Racist emails circulated by Republican staffers. Republicans demonstrating in Klan outfits. Republican mayors depicting the White House behind a watermelon patch. And a variety of campaign tactics which included mailings depicting Barack Obama's face surrounded by fried chicken and watermelon, posters and websites attempting to link Obama to bin Laden, the Republican vice-presidential candidate praising a racist writer, and more.
Nor has this gone unnoticed amongst conservative politicians. In late July, Senator George Voinovich (R-Oh) publicly complained that the GOP is "being taken over by southerners." Minnesota's Republican governor Tim Pawlenty voiced similar fears a year ago. Maine's two senators, Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins have also gone on record as worrying about the GOP's increasingly narrow base.
The future does not hold much hope for the GOP when the response of various demographics are taken into account. America is becoming increasingly multi-cultural, and support for the GOP amongst minorities is at the bottom of the barrel. In 1980, 32% of the electorate consisted of white Democratic voters. That number was little changed in 2008, with 32% of the electorate consisting of whites voting for Obama. But in 1980 only 9% of the electorate were nonwhite Carter voters, whereas 21% of the electorate were nonwhite Obama voters last year. And that made the difference between a landslide defeat for Carter and a win by a healthy margin for Obama.
Obama took 68% of voters aged 18-29. He took 68% of Hispanic voters. The young are the future of our country, and Latinos the most rapidly growing ethnic segment of America, and in neither case is favorable opinion of the Republican party currently above 5%.
As the GOP has thrown increasingly bizarre, frenzied, and sometimes racially motivated accusations at Obama, the positive view of the GOP has seen a steady and drastic reduction. In January, 40% of whites held a positive view of the GOP. Today, that figure is 25%. In January, 20% of Latinos held a positive view of the GOP. Today, that figure is 3%. Amongst voters under thirty years of age, that positive view of the GOP has plummeted from 27% to 4%. The two demographics which have seen somewhat steady positive views of the GOP are amongst voters aged 30 to 44 (35% down to 31%), and among southerners (46% down to 41%).
Nixon's "Southern Strategy" served the GOP well for nearly forty years, but with the very real changes to American society and to America's racial makeup over those four decades, the GOP's obsession with race is poised to be its undoing. Unless the GOP breaks free of the grip of irrational, racially-motivated conspiracy theorists and knee-jerk nay-sayers, it will relegate itself to the ignominious role of an irrelevant, regional party-- located firmly in the South, and unable to inspire or motivate those who hold America's future in their hands except in terms of rejecting the GOP's craziness.
Graph data comes from Research 2000 polls conducted for Daily KOS, and has a margin of error of +/-2%.
Methodology: A total of 2400 adults nationally were interviewed by telephone. A cross-section of calls was made into each state in the country in order to reflect the adult population nationally.
The margin for error, according to standards customarily used by statisticians, is no more than plus or minus 2% percentage points. This means that there is a 95 percent probability that the "true" figure would fall within that range if the entire adult population were sampled. The margin for error is higher for any demographic subgroup, such as gender, race, or region.
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{"commentId":9237378,"authorDomain":"iarnuocon"}
I've heard an awful lot about Obama's supposedly "plummeting" popularity, and how it bodes well for Republicans. I have no idea whether that's true, but it certainly seems as though the GOP's favorability is in free-fall, that this free-fall is tied directly to their endorsement of any crazy-ass anti-Obama theory coming down the pike, and that this free-fall looks to erase any gains they may be making by casting doubt about Obama amongst their increasingly narrowing base.
When all is said and done, they may win some battles and ultimately lose the war.
{"commentId":9237378,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"iarnuocon"}
- 47 votes
#1 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 2:56 AM EDT{"commentId":9237547,"authorDomain":"truj59"}
I suggest you watch the South Park episode "Douche and Turd". It pretty much sums up what choices Americans have to vote for in elections. That being said, the youth vote is very unreliable for the simple reason that people at that age don't have a steady job, don't have a family to provide for, and don't witness a substantial amount of their income seized in taxes. Once they do, they pretty much become fiscal conservatives. As for the Hispanics, they have always been (with the exception of Cubans) a reliable Democratic voting bloc and there's nothing the GOP can do to change that without becoming, well, Democrats in supporting public welfare.
The real decider are the non-aligned independent voters, which have grown substantial and are very disaffected with the people in Washington, both Democrat and Republican. If the GOP can appeal to them with a basic message of fiscal responsiblity (while toning down the family values tactic) they do have a chance of making a bounce back in 2010 as many of these independents are wary of out of control Democratic spending. I may also add that it is much too early to be specualting about this sort of thing, so stay tuned.
{"commentId":9237547,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"truj59"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":9238097,"authorDomain":"blaze1024"}
Don't have a family to provide for, and don't witness a substantial amount of their income seized in taxes.
Making such a statement really damages your credibility. It makes it look as though you're simply repeating party propaganda.
Seriously every American knows that one of the highest taxed groups are young single working men and women.
On the other hand by the time you get married have kids buy a house a car, 401K you have so many tax deductions that percentage wise you pay far less tax then when you were single.
That is unless of course you have been one of the few people who has been lucky enough to be able to take full advantage of the system and as a result benefited the most from the American way of life. If that's the case then you should pay more.
It's simple, those who benefit the most from the American way of life, pay the most! Those that benefit the least, pay the least! Its the only fair solution. why should people who have not benefited as much pay more or as much.
{"commentId":9238097,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"blaze1024"}
- 30 votes
{"commentId":9238672,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
I have no idea whether that's true, but it certainly seems as though the GOP's favorability is in free-fall. . .
Of course you don't because like about 90% of the lefties on NV you concentrate on flummery like the poll which is the subject of your article while serious political observers tend to go with pros like Charlie Cook who forecasts a loss of 20 plus seats by Dems next year and the generic House ballot which now favors the GOP.
And, btw, how those gubernatorial races in NJ and VA looking for you these days?
{"commentId":9238672,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 11 votes
{"commentId":9239042,"authorDomain":"bmark22000"}
Blaze1024,
That is unless of course you have been one of the few people who has been lucky enough to be able to take full advantage of the system and as a result benefited the most from the American way of life. If that's the case then you should pay more.
One of the problems with the liberal assumption is that some kind of mysterious luck is responsible for success. You should realize that the greatest factor impacting success or failure is your own individual effort and the choices that you make. I believe my own personal situation will ilustrate my point.
I remember answering an ad in the Grit that led to selling greeting cards door to door when I was 10. Once I was old enough I mowed lawns for a few years. This was the only way I was able to afford a bicycle. I got my first job when I was 16 and I worked every day after school and every Saturday. I gave up participating in school athletics and other activities. During high school I chose classes that would give me an education versus somthing to pass the time. I was voted most likely to succeed by my class (even at that age accomplishments and not luck are recognized). I saved my money and worked my way though Jr College and a state university. I looked locally for a job within my chosen profession for two years (all the while working a 50 hour per week job and saving my money). I went back to school and earned a master's degree. There my hard work was also recognized and I was chosen for a graduate assistant position. While some of my fellow students were using their student loans to go the Spring Break, I was in the library studying. I graduated with a 4.0 and finally was able to secure an entry level position, but I had to move away from my friends and family to get that job. After working hard and making a reputation for myself as an honest hard worker I was promoted and put in charge of one aspect of one of the firm's larger clients. After a few years, that client offered me a position and now after a 20 year career I am the top person in my department for one of the largest companies in the country. All this from humble beginnings in a very small rural area and a working class family.
Had I known that all I needed to do was to wait for the luck of society to shine upon me perhaps I wouldn't have worked so hard.
One might say that I was lucky to be in the right place at the right time. I would prefer to look at is in a different manner. That I prepared myself to be ready to sieze the opportunities that are presented and that I made good choices. Trust me, luck had nothing to do with it.
{"commentId":9239042,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"bmark22000"}
- 11 votes
{"commentId":9239378,"authorDomain":"JoeBpsplk"}
One of the main reasons that Republicans have been losing popularity is that they haven't evicted their extremists. Every group has people who take things too far - to the point of absurdity. The Republicans have actually invited the whackos to the party. This comes primarily from conservative Republican talk shows. They push things to an extreme because that makes their shows more exciting and appeals to the lower-class people.
{"commentId":9239378,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"JoeBpsplk"}
- 20 votes
{"commentId":9239597,"authorDomain":"blaze1024"}
One of the problems with the liberal assumption is that some kind of mysterious luck is responsible for success.
"some kind of mysterious luck" You're saying that to me ? Ella malaka I have news for you!
How you deduced that from my post is a true mystery. Maybe that explains why you had to have someone provide a job for you and could never cut your own path.
Since you told your hard luck story here is a condensed version of mine.
When I was 14 I was living in an abandoned car. The woman I thought was my mom actually had no relationship to me what soever. Unfortunately she died before I found this out Now I was 14 years old had no idea who my parents were or where they were. I had spent a few weeks at the home but after repeated attempts by the head master to shove his tool in my mouth I ran away..
Well that's how I wound up living in an abandoned car. I would earn meals by sloping out bathrooms and clean pipes in the neighborhood. To make along story short I joined the military as soon as I was old enough, when I got out of the military I joined the police force. Do to massive corruption and criminal activity in the department I retired early.
I then took what little money I had saved and opened a small GO-GO bar with an acquaintance I lived in my car while he lived it up I saved every penny I could. Two years later my partner bought me out. So I moved to California took the money I had saved and bought my very first beach front home in Malibu, I paid cash for it and owned it outright. of course now I was broke.
So I rented my new beach front home out as a vacation rental and I went to work as a cook at the nearby Malibu Sealion.
By now it was It was around 1966 and I was in my early 20's and working as a cook at the Sealion where I met a very wealthy older Greek man who's name was Chris Polos. Chris was much like myself, he was a self made man a millionaire to be exact. Chris came to this country at age 14 with .50 cents in his pocket. Chris inspired me and helped me locate what was left of my family in Greece and he taught be quite a bit about real estate.
To make a long story short I saved my money by living in my car and washing up in the bathroom. After few years I had saved enough money to buy another home. So I sailed to Hawaii bought a beach front home took another Job as a Cook within a few years I bought a 50 foot sailboat and preceded to cruise the worlds oceans .
Fast forward too today and I own vacation rentals in over 10 different countries. I own 5 restaurants 2 in the states and 3 in Europe. I earn more in one month sitting on my a$$ then most people earn in a life time. I have adopted several children over the years I have one son who is now in his last year at Harvard law and in the top 5 percent of his class.
And to think I started out in an abandoned car without a mom or dad sometimes being forced to screw old women in the neighborhood for a meal because I refused to steal.
Do you still want to talk to me about hard work and a tough life.
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{"commentId":9239597,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"blaze1024"}
- 20 votes
{"commentId":9240425,"authorDomain":"skylark246"}
The GOP, the party of "no." OK folks. They are from here on out going to oppose everything but everything the President promotes so there is no point in being surprised each time this happens. We are just going to have to make use of our Congressional majority and do what is right.
{"commentId":9240425,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"skylark246"}
- 12 votes
{"commentId":9242106,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Indeed we will but you'd be better off looking at websites like Pollster.com which offers a blending of various polling than overt wankery from the likes of DailyKos. And btw, the generic House ballot is another blend which you'd know if you bothered to actually drill down through the numbers. American elections these days are never decided by the roughly 30% or so on either side of the partisan divide, they're decided by the 40% in the middle who self-identify as "independents" and it's here where the president and the Democrats are bleeding out support.
{"commentId":9242106,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":9242295,"authorDomain":"Blearc"}
The idea that because Obama has been unsuccessful cleaning up the messes left by the last administration fast enough the country would trust the GOP again is laughable.
We know how we got here, even though our instant gratification society is unhappy with the speed of results, it does not mean we want follow the GOP in their death spiral.
Mr. Harrison would have a point if the GOP would show any type of remorse, willingness to govern, or ability of rational thought.
{"commentId":9242295,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Blearc"}
- 22 votes
{"commentId":9245328,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
Bill Harrison
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Comment collapsed by the community{"commentId":9245626,"authorDomain":"Blearc"}
Again with the idea that if someone likes the Democrat party less they immeadiately like the GOP more. While wishful thinking, its just that, wishful thinking.
But it is whats driving the GOP's actions. "If we sling enough crap and lies then they will like us more."
No the American people would appreciate the GOP more if they cared more about the populous and less about the almighty dollar and its guardians.
{"commentId":9245626,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Blearc"}
- 15 votes
{"commentId":9247342,"authorDomain":"JustMee"}
I believe that Obama is in "free fall".!...the name calling of Republicans, especially Conservative Republicans never stops....what makes you think that you are so much more intelligent than non-Democratic/Liberals in this country. Obama was not fully "veted"....
Obama should never have been elected...the people that voted for him tend to follow the leader - if you guys would have opened your eyes and paid attention to Obama and Troop and their antics....our country would not be having the problems it is currently.
{"commentId":9247342,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"JustMee"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":9248601,"authorDomain":"ungerbn"}
While their initial strategies to undermine support of Mr. Obama's healthcare reform in general, and Mr. Obama, specifically, were savvy, they have not anticipated the nanosecond attention span of the American consumer.
There is only so long that Republicans can cry wolf...and they probably should have waited until closer to mid-term elections and 2012.
Schadenfraude.
{"commentId":9248601,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"ungerbn"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":9251298,"authorDomain":"ninbyo"}
considering McCain's initial reaction to the collapse and his saying the foundations of our economy were sound right up until things imploded, I think we're far better off.
{"commentId":9251298,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"ninbyo"}
- 12 votes
{"commentId":9262179,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}
{"commentId":9264795,"authorDomain":"iarnuocon"}
{"commentId":9270320,"authorDomain":"jimdent"}
My bad.... :(
Apologies.
{"commentId":9270320,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"jimdent"}
{"commentId":9237780,"authorDomain":"pobox522rlyeh"}
My gut feeling when Obama took office was, and I hate to say this, that he was going to be a one term President. The reason for this is that he was inheriting a horrible economy which had been in the works for many years. I don't believe that anybody could fix it instantly, and he was likely to take the blame for it.
He then took on fixing health care, which is a worthy cause but it's an incredible uphill fight. Insurance companies are one of the most aggressive lobbies you can possibly deal with, and the amount of money they have to throw against him is incredible.
I've actually been expecting his popularity to lower. What I didn't expect is how completely crazy the Republicans would get.
I think it's quite possible that when the next Presidential election comes around, the thing that might save him is that a lot of people who were on the edge just won't be able to stomach the Republican party.
But I don't know. It's a crazy environment out there, a lot is going on. Anything could happen. I'm very afraid that health reform will be sabotaged and it will become another weight around his neck.
But whether that should be or not, the Republicans have done so much damage to their brand, it will take generations for it to recover. Maybe it never will.
{"commentId":9237780,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"pobox522rlyeh"}
- 13 votes
#2 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 4:06 AM EDT{"commentId":9238695,"authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
well, smiling
that was the plan
the horrible manipulation of the Gang Of Propagandists and the Gang Of Psychopaths is destroying our country. They can't seem to understand that is why they are out of power, and their sick and destructive need for it continues.
Sad to see all their ignorant brainwash victims
The Repblican party may as well just change their name. Lincoln, Eisenhower and all great Republicans would not recognize them now. They are just a bunch of nuts and KKK members.
{"commentId":9238695,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
- 21 votes
{"commentId":9239372,"authorDomain":"skylark246"}
the horrible manipulation of the Gang Of Propagandists and the Gang Of Psychopaths is destroying our country.
I hope there are a lot more of you in Texas.
{"commentId":9239372,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"skylark246"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":9240722,"authorDomain":"eric24"}
They are just a bunch of nuts and KKK members.
I could easily say only a nut would make outlandish faulty claims like that.
{"commentId":9240722,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"eric24"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":9248848,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
They are also a Hell of a lot of John Birchers among them.
{"commentId":9248848,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
- 8 votes
{"commentId":9249325,"authorDomain":"chiwillie"}
The GOP record speaks for itself:
US Representative Lynn Jenkins shared that the GOP was looking for “a great white hope” to counter President Obama and the republicans.
Mississippi Republican State Senator Lydia Chassaniol was the very special guest of the Conservative Citizens Council, an organization that has called African-Americans “a retrograde species of humanity” and that has referred to America’s increasing diversity as a “slimy brown mass of glop”. Chassiol concluded her remarks to the organization (even CPAC called it racist) by saying “seeing you all here today gives me hope”.
In the midst of her campaign for Chair of the Young Republicans Organization, Audra Shay, cheer-led racist comments on her Facebook page. Of course, her subsequent election indicates that the concept of racial harmony will be just as foreign to the current generation of republican political operatives as it was to the last.
Michelle Bachmann led other republican politicians in blaming the entire financial meltdown on – you guessed it – racial minorities when she stated that the mortgage debacle that ignited the global crisis was caused by loans “being made on the basis of race and little else”.
Republicans in San Bernadino County published a newsletter that included “Obama Bucks”, a food-stamp with pictures of watermelon, fried chicken, ribs and Kool-Aid surrounding a picture of the President.
A republican mayor in California distributed e-mails featuring a watermelon patch in the foreground of the White House.
A South Carolina republican activist shared on his Facebook page that an escaped gorilla was an ancestor of First Lady Michelle Obama.
The United States Commission on Civil Rights issued a report detailing numerous incidents of racially targeted action against African Americans on the part of Florida republicans, many in violation of the Voting Rights Act and Florida law.
The Tennessee Republican party distributed a collage featuring pictures of Presidents of the United States, depicting President Obama as two eyes peering out of a black background.
The GOP chairman of New Mexico’s Bernalillo County said "The truth is that Hispanics came here as conquerors," he said. "African-Americans came here as slaves” and that "Hispanics consider themselves above blacks. They won't vote for a black president."
A republican City Councilman enjoyed racist e-mails regarding the President and the First Lady so much that he thought everyone should have the same fun he was having. So he distributed and forwarded “jokes” that compared Obama to O.J. Simpson while others suggested that "@!$%# rigs" should now be called "presidential solutions."
Chip Saltsman, former chair of the Tennessee republicans and candidate for Chairman of the Republican National Committee, distributed a CD containing the song “Barack the Magic Negro”.
In an ode to racist hostility to miscegenation, the Tennessee Republican Party ran ads against Congressman Harold Ford featuring a scantily-clad white woman saying “call me Harold”.
Republican Senator Trent Lott stated that the country would have been better off had virulent racist Strom Thurmond been elected President.
In the republican primary, the Bush (W) campaign engaged in push polling to imply that opponent John McCain’s adopted Bangladeshi daughter was his illegitimate black child.
George Bush (H.W.) ran ads featuring the sinister visage of black convict Willie Horton in his campaign against Michael Dukakis.
In his campaign against Harvey Gantt, Senator Jesse Helms ran ads featuring a pair of white hands balling up a job application stating that the person lost the opportunity in favor on an unqualified racial minority.
Ronald Reagan announced his candidacy for President in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where three civil rights workers Cheney, Goodman and Schwerner were murdered and buried. He also moved to overturn IRS rules in order to grant tax-exempt status to Bob Jones University in spite of their strict prohibitions on interracial dating. The Supreme
Court rejected this effort 8 – 1.
Barry Goldwater ran for President under the platform of States Rights when the only issue of Federal/State conflict was institutional racism and segregation in the southern states.
{"commentId":9249325,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"chiwillie"}
- 18 votes
{"commentId":9259562,"authorDomain":"jaawat"}
My compliments. Very well said.
{"commentId":9259562,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"jaawat"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":9237874,"authorDomain":"roybatty"}
It is comical that the Republicans follow the likes of Glenn Beck, a alleged rapist and murderer. Talk about low standards.
{"commentId":9237874,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"roybatty"}
- 22 votes
#3 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 4:32 AM EDT{"commentId":9238523,"authorDomain":"jaybutler"}
Talk about low standards.
Low standards is a good description of the "evidence" that site presents as proof of this crime. One of the pieces of evidence is that the police sketch looks a little like Beck. Other posts on the site say that if it can't be disproved it must be true. Yet another claims that Beck has spent $3 billion to cover it up.
By those standards every one of us is an "alleged" criminal of some sort since any asshat blogger can fling the wildest accusations around. And, if we cannot disprove them, we must be guilty...
{"commentId":9238523,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"jaybutler"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":9238702,"authorDomain":"blaze1024"}
Low standards is a good description of the "evidence" that site presents as proof of this crime. One of the pieces of evidence is that the police sketch looks a little like Beck. Other posts on the site say that if it can't be disproved it must be true. Yet another claims that Beck has spent $3 billion to cover it up.
By those standards every one of us is an "alleged" criminal of some sort since any asshat blogger can fling the wildest accusations around. And, if we cannot disprove them, we must be guilty...
Actually whats really hilarious is the site you are complaining about is doing nothing more then using the very same logic and tactics that Glen Becks uses himself trying to justify and add credibility to his crazy Liberal conspiracy theories.
How many times has beck made accusations and backed them with the same logic this site is using . HA HA HA I'm laughing my a$$ off.
Beck is finally on the receiving end of his own medicine and neither he nor his fans can take the heat. Buuhhhaaaaa ha ha ha !
{"commentId":9238702,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"blaze1024"}
- 22 votes
{"commentId":9238705,"authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
Gang Of Psychopaths
{"commentId":9238705,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":9238722,"authorDomain":"RedRat"}
I don't know Jay. I have a brother-in-law that has a friend that is a cop and he says that Beck did it and that the cover-up was financed by Fox News to insure that he could become one of their TV personalities in the future. I find it despicable that not only did Beck get away with murder, but that Fox News is complicit in the cover-up. I think as Americans we should demand more from our news organizations and news entertainers!
That said, excellent article iarnuocon! I found that 14% and 10% statistic about Mississippi and Alabama telling and disturbing. But, the upside; the 4% approval rating for the GOP by the under 30 crowed is heartening.
{"commentId":9238722,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"RedRat"}
- 17 votes
{"commentId":9240233,"authorDomain":"JoeBpsplk"}
Every presidential election cycle another 4 years of Republican voters have died and another 4 years of Democratic voters appears on the scene. Demographics is shrinking the numbers of Republicans.
{"commentId":9240233,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"JoeBpsplk"}
- 9 votes
{"commentId":9248920,"authorDomain":"deajon"}
Blaze, then you should be in agreement, unless what your stating is that even though you had many hard knocks, you should have been taken care of by the "system" instead.
Yes, while you were a youth. But when you became of age, apparently you did well by working hard and taking care of business and not depending on uncle sam to bail you out.
So why would you think it's ok for others to just let the system take care of them? Especially those who are taking advantage of uncle sam's dime?
{"commentId":9248920,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"deajon"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":9250639,"authorDomain":"robynlewis04"}
This is the FUNNIEST article on Newsvine yet. The GOP will win big next year thanks in part to: Van Jones, the Liberal idiots who won't read ANY bill, obama's narcissist attitude, and Democraps who shout, Nanny Nanny Boo Boo, when concerned Americans have the audacity to challenge their Representatives on healthcare, not to be left out is Princess Liar (aka: Nancy Pelosi) who couldn't tell the truth if her life depended on it. 2010!!
{"commentId":9250639,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"robynlewis04"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":9256559,"authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
here is a great Bush quote to go down in the history books omg:
"I am the master of low expectations" gawd, how true that is
{"commentId":9256559,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":9257819,"authorDomain":"hmm"}
Yeah that's a memorable one TRQ!
my favorite is still :
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur."
{"commentId":9257819,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"hmm"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":9237929,"authorDomain":"JABurnham"}
I've been doing some recruiting in my parts letting the Hispanics know what Republican Values are. Most Hispanics do not have a favorable view of Welfare or anyone on it. The Business Leaders are just that Community Leaders. Most of the Hispanics oppose abortion and that is a huge issue with their Culture. Tradition and Family Values also plays a huge role and Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot. It really comes down to just getting the information out and educating the Culture on what Party best represents their values.
There is a lot of misinformation out there especially on the abortion topic. Once I explained the Democrat view of what a fetus is vs the Republican view that it's a baby it's pretty much a down hill run from there. Family Values, Tradition, Marriage, Fiscal Accountability, Pro-Life Choices, Civil Rights Equality, Anti-Drug Use, Freedom through Small Goverment are all Republican Values that sell very well to the Hispanic Population.
Democrats views of Pro-Choice including abortion up to the 3rd Term, Large Social Welfare Programs, Large Socialistic Goverment, anti-Traditional Marriage, Pro-Legalization of Recreational Drugs (this is another big one as Mexico is getting Ravaged by the Drug Lords), New Age Family Values (Goverment Parents the Children), Large Intrusive Goverment, Sexual Education to minors under the age of 12, are all selling points that can be used with the Hispanic Population that the Democrat Party cannot refute.
The truth is getting out there but as Republicans we have to keep our house clean. When a Senator goes Rogue we have to denounce him or her for what they are. The big one is Civil Rights but even that is getting clarified as Senators like Boxer, Reid, and Pelosi begin to show their true colors. Get the information out about Alberto Gonzales and how the Democrats had attacked him. Show how the Republicans had voted on Judge Sotomayor compared to the Democrats when they voted on Alberto Gonzales. Show how the Republican stance on Civil Rights has been a constant one of equality compared to the Democrats who have a long history of Civil Rights Abuse.
The main thing is we have to keep the information honest even if it doesn't show us in a positive light. When a person is lying or trying to mislead then show those around you how they are trying to mislead and lie to them. If you can't speak Spanish then learn. Once the Hispanic Culture begins asking the hard questions and getting to know the Republican Party things will change.
{"commentId":9237929,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"JABurnham"}
- 4 votes
#4 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 4:50 AM EDT{"commentId":9238735,"authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
LOL the wedge issues and religion are how the Gang Of Propagandists manage to get votes from ignorant people voting against their own self interest. The GOP wedged us down to mother against baby.
bunch of hypocrites for calling themselves the party of family values and moral- I think Jesus is figuratively kicking their @$$ in temple for that. They are the wolves in sheeps clothing using his name to get votes and power and further their antisocial empire building corporate hooker agenda
Hypocrites were the only people Jesus ever got violent with.
{"commentId":9238735,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
- 16 votes
{"commentId":9248950,"authorDomain":"deajon"}
Hardly Texasqueen, since it appears republicans and conservatives are the only ones trying to hold on to values and morals.
{"commentId":9248950,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"deajon"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":9249247,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
Hardly Texasqueen, since it appears republicans and conservatives are the only ones trying to hold on to values and morals.
Gov Sanford
Sen Ensign
Former Sen Craig
Rep Vitter
C Street “Family” really just more John Birchers and as immoral as one can get.
{"commentId":9249247,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
- 16 votes
{"commentId":9251523,"authorDomain":"JABurnham"}
All I can say Jack is that those people have forgotten who they represent. I've written a letter asking that the Republican Party remove each of the above Hypocrites from the Party. I still have one more opperation to go through and some recovery but after that I plan on trying to be one of the Leaders of the Republican Party. It will take time, money, and effort. The people deserve two Parties to choose from and right now there is only one.
{"commentId":9251523,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"JABurnham"}
{"commentId":9251828,"authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
I wish you all the best and get the job because WE need two parties.
{"commentId":9251828,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"jackdeath"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":9253939,"authorDomain":"pdisken"}
Hardly Texasqueen, since it appears republicans and conservatives are the only ones trying to hold on to values and morals.
Stop! Stop! stop it, my stomach hurts from laughing.... :-D)))))
{"commentId":9253939,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"pdisken"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":9254245,"authorDomain":"thomash-1"}
As nutty as Beck is, I wouldn't put it past him to have floated the rumors himself. Any publicity is good publicity.
{"commentId":9254245,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"thomash-1"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":9334061,"authorDomain":"mdmadden"}
The Republican party does not follow its values - Rush is a self admitted drug addict for starters. I suppose both parties are having problems living up to its values.
{"commentId":9334061,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"mdmadden"}
{"commentId":9238407,"authorDomain":"jcunningha"}
I would not be so quick to revel in the supposed demise of the GOP, I am sure that if polled most Americans would agree that both parties are equally unpopular. It is my understanding that our elected officials should put the needs of the country above all else, it seems to me that once an official is elected, re-election becomes their driving force. I find it absurd that the talk is already about 2010 and 2012, how about working on the present difficulties!
{"commentId":9238407,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"jcunningha"}
#5 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 7:09 AM EDT{"commentId":9239038,"authorDomain":"RedRat"}
Americans have been polled and you are wrong. 49% now say they have a favorable view of the Democratic Party. That compares to 25% favorable to the GOP as sighted in iarnuocon's article. It is easy to make assertions such as 'that both parties are equally unpopular', but it is almost as easy to prove them wrong.
{"commentId":9239038,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"RedRat"}
- 16 votes
{"commentId":9242375,"authorDomain":"jcunningha"}
Perhaps they should poll independents such as myself and I belive you will find that my thought holds water. Both parties are spending so much time peeing on one anothers shoes and ideological differences that they seem to have forgotten why they were elected to their positions. This is not about a popularity contest it is about the running of our country.
{"commentId":9242375,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"jcunningha"}
{"commentId":9256235,"authorDomain":"pobox522rlyeh"}
Perhaps they should poll independents such as myself and I belive you will find that my thought holds water. Both parties are spending so much time peeing on one anothers shoes and ideological differences that they seem to have forgotten why they were elected to their positions. This is not about a popularity contest it is about the running of our country.
When conducting a poll to see the opinion of the country, am I supposed to exclude everyone except independents like you?
{"commentId":9256235,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"pobox522rlyeh"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":9256612,"authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
^^^independent but now anything to not be identified with the Republikkkans
{"commentId":9256612,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":9238486,"authorDomain":"robnyack"}
I could care less about the "birthers", but you are correct in that the GOP has hopped on board the crazy train...and, sad to say, with some success. In terms of health care, I do not think the Obama team thought the right wing would go crazy and just start making up huge blatent lies and running with them full force. Even if they did, at the time, you would think..."good let them".
But, you can't understate the power of the right wing media machine...FOX and talk radio. They just get on message and they pound it home hour afer hour after hour, day after day after day. They took some outragous ridiculous claims "death panels" "Obama is gonna kill your grandma" and just ran with them full force and it worked. Sad to say.
Crazy is crazy....but, they have proved it works. Very sad.
{"commentId":9238486,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"robnyack"}
- 14 votes
#6 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 7:20 AM EDT{"commentId":9238648,"authorDomain":"mudfloper"}
I think Obama and his people counted on it. The right is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction. Now they have blown their wad, everyone has had the opportunity to get their blood boiled and is slowly coming back to rational thought......
Now a conversation can be had. Now the common facts that stare us in the face will be seen. Now comes the time for real reform.
Obama hasn't let anything slip by him yet, I don't think he has this time either.
{"commentId":9238648,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"mudfloper"}
- 10 votes
{"commentId":9244743,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}
You are hallucinating. Barack Obama is probably permanently damaged. The main thing he had going for him was an aura, sheen really, of inevitability and invincibility and history on his side. All of that has taken major hits over the last months.
{"commentId":9244743,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}
- 7 votes
{"commentId":9256790,"authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
gee, maybe Obama should do what Bush did! Simply allow a repeat, forewarned attack in the same damn place that was attacked last time! And say he had no damn clue and sit on his @$$ and read a book and tell children how important reading was (SOCIALISM!) all while poor people were burning alive and jumping from the same place that had been attacked before. And just terrorize the crap out of the entire nation! And reinforce it with a huge reich wing media machine telling the people GET THE DUCT TAPE TAPE UP YOUR WINDOWS SADDAM SENDING DRONES OF SMALL POX MUSHROOM CLOUDS YELLOWCAKE URANIUM!!! and yeah!
That would consolidate a hellofa lot of power! And then, just like Hitler did after the German parliament building was burned and he needed to curtail civil liberties to protect the citizens against any more attacks from the Red Scare oh I mean the Axis of Evil. In fact, just get that old hitler ENABLING act and update it with some orwellian language so idiots would not recognize it. Boy, Bush loved Orwell WAR IS PEACEright Bush?!
And then you can wage any kind of war ya want and call your enemies terrorists and indtimidate any critical of you! and suspend the Constitution call it a quaint piece of paper and because we are in an endless oil war oh I mean "freedom bombing" war and just do any F$%^&*g thing you want and be "unitary executive" cause it's a heck of a lot easier to be President if you are dicktater! and you can corrupt the crap out of the justice dept and wreck the economy and BS the people for 8 years and have anyone ya want arrested for being a "terrorist" and ya can get some sick @$$ anorexic biotch to wear a lil black cocktail dress and write straight out of mein kampf but use "liberal" instead of "jew" YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
{"commentId":9256790,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Texasrodeoqueen"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":9258808,"authorDomain":"DARKESTDONNIE"}
gee, maybe Obama should do what Bush did! Simply allow a repeat, forewarned attack in the same damn place that was attacked last time! And say he had no damn clue
What the.......did you fall off your horse and landed on your head? This almost makes you a truther...like that whack-job Van Jones!
And the rest of your rant really lends credence to the horse accident theory! hmmm
{"commentId":9258808,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"DARKESTDONNIE"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":9238502,"authorDomain":"stvgeiss"}
I laugh at polls because most are twisted or contrived and can't be trusted.
{"commentId":9238502,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"stvgeiss"}
- 2 votes
#7 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 7:22 AM EDT{"commentId":9238923,"authorDomain":"RedRat"}
I laugh at miscomprehension of scientific polling.
{"commentId":9238923,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"RedRat"}
- 18 votes
{"commentId":9239634,"authorDomain":"btco"}
What did Forest Gump say..........Stupid as as Stupid does. This is the GOP today. Stupid extreme, stupid celebs (rush & beck), stupid people supporting stupid opposition for no real reason other than stupidity. Lemmings jumping off the cliff of sanity into the deep abyss of stupidity.
IARNUOCON - Thanks for writing this, you did a great job !!!!!!! Enjoy the holiday weekend !!!
{"commentId":9239634,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"btco"}
- 13 votes
#8 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 9:09 AM EDT{"commentId":9240450,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}
Van Jones, Van Jones, Van Jones.
Explains Obama's fall as well as anything. There is a reality disconnect between both political parties and the expressed opinions of the American people. The Obama administration has pissed and bungled away their 'historic' opportunity. I know that's a bitter pill for you to swallow, but there it is.
{"commentId":9240450,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}
- 6 votes
#9 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 9:50 AM EDT{"commentId":9242516,"authorDomain":"Blearc"}
Pissing away historic Opportunities. Hmm you mean like choosing a war of choice in Iraq and basically accomplishing nothing in 7 years in the historic opportunity that was the Afghanistan war?
I've watched Becks tirades on Van Jones. Tell you what how about we debate what Van Jones actually said in April and leave the nutjob out of it.
How about we start with the idea that Van Jones is a communist because he said that the Native Americans should be given wealth of renewable energy because the crappy land we shoved them into is actually prime real estate for wind and solar energy.
Did we not shove Native Americans into land we thought sucked?
Is that land not perfect for wind and solar energy?
Would it not help us make up for at least some of the broken promises and treaties?
How the hell is that "communist"?
Then we can get in to the communist Rockerfeller center that both NBC and Fox News resides in. Seriously the people the GOP are latching onto for their reason and logic is why they are circling the drain.
{"commentId":9242516,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Blearc"}
- 15 votes
{"commentId":9244666,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}
Jones major and unsolvable problem is that he signed a 'truther' petition, thereby suggesting he believes George Bush conspired to destroy the 9-11 targets. Permitting this nonsense into the Obama administration gives his opponents or enemies all the ammo they need. The Obama administration has been astonishingly incompetent in any number of ways.
{"commentId":9244666,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}
- 6 votes
{"commentId":9246040,"authorDomain":"Blearc"}
Once again Russell you show your hypocrisy on the subject.
Tell me have you ever called for the same outrage of the GOP congressmen and women that drummed up the hysterical birthers? Comon now if truthers are not acceptable then why should birthers be?
How about the congressmen who sent a letter to all his constituents on the "facts" of the birther movement?
Or any of the other wacka doo, scare tactics being promoted by the GOP. How about the "Obamacare" will kill women because more women will die of breast cancer.
The outrage is predictable, calculated, and getting past amusing. Especially with you, we've had this conversation too many times to count.
{"commentId":9246040,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Blearc"}
- 11 votes
{"commentId":9257452,"authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}
I doubt if you have had any discussions with me about birthers or truthers, since I don't give a crap about either topic.
The article uses 'birthers' as evidence that the Republicans are screwed. I am simply pointing out that the incompetent White House has thrown countless lifelines to the Republicans, the latest being the presence of a 'truther' in an administration position. It is ridiculous.
{"commentId":9257452,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"JohnRussell"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":9258024,"authorDomain":"hmm"}
I love how the GOP/conservs are becoming more delusional by the day.
Each one of 'em ready to spit fire.
You people look more and more ridiculous ! Birthers , tea Baggers, budgets with no numbers, railing against the stimulus and then taking credit for the stimulus money the handed out. Just plain liars.
. Permitting this nonsense into the Obama administration gives his opponents or enemies all the ammo they need. The Obama administration has been astonishingly incompetent in any number of ways.
This is the same sh*t the conservatives said right before the elections. We all saw how well that worked out for 'em.
Keep on dreamin' John.
{"commentId":9258024,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"hmm"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":9278148,"authorDomain":"skylark246"}
Van Jones, Van Jones, Van Jones.
He's out. That is what Democrats do with those who err. Do you think for a minute Bush would have fired one of his for the same?
{"commentId":9278148,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"skylark246"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":9240878,"authorDomain":"jeremyfive"}
The Birther movement is the most idiotic one I have ever seen in American politics.
Dumb and dumber.
{"commentId":9240878,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"jeremyfive"}
- 13 votes
#10 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 10:10 AM EDT{"commentId":9249205,"authorDomain":"deajon"}
Hey, desperate times, call for desperate measures. Got to do what you got to do, something has to stop him from making a bigger mess of things.
{"commentId":9249205,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"deajon"}
{"commentId":9256662,"authorDomain":"Zumia"}
What mess, exactly, has he made?
{"commentId":9256662,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Zumia"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":9245115,"authorDomain":"jinxx"}
I think the difference between LEFT WING LOONS and RIGHT WING GOONS is that when there where (and still are) Left Wing Loons, they where left on the curb with their silly conspiracies, rants, home made posters and were ignored by Elected Leaders - where in the Right Wing Goons are validated and legitimized by Elected Leaders (who have gone as far as acknowledging and praising them not to mention taking actual advice from Shock Jock TV and Radio Personalities e.g. Palin/Beck - Limbaugh and the RNC) and that my friends is why you will continue to see the demise of the G.O.P. - They have done themselves in (and out of the White House).
{"commentId":9245115,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"jinxx"}
- 10 votes
#11 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 1:01 PM EDT{"commentId":9246209,"authorDomain":"ninbyo"}
Bingo!
{"commentId":9246209,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"ninbyo"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":9247740,"authorDomain":"reggiek"}
Has this country gone insane?
I am a lifelong Republican...but Mr. Obama won - he received the most votes and was elected our president....I may not agree with his programs...but I do respect the office of the president, just as I did when our president was a Republican.
I also love my country and believe that no matter who is in the office...I want my country to succeed, to progress and to be safe and secure. These pundits and extremists that are shouting hatred and spewing such dribble as wanting the president to be killed or to fail sound very much like the jihadists and terrorists. I wish they would quit calling themselves the voice of the Republican party....I am afraid that the Party has been hijacked by the these vocal robots of the Religious Right...they have no interest in our country...just their own agenda....
I am very ashamed of the current direction of the Republican party that I have supported since I was old enough to vote....This is the first time in my life that I have ever considered changing my party affiliation. This direction I see the party taking now is offensive to me as an American...advocating such disrespect....to call for the death of our president.... publicating lies and propaganda... not caring whether our country fails because we disagree with him...has the party lost sight of the concepts of our Constitution and Bill of Rights....this is absolute hogwash.
{"commentId":9247740,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"reggiek"}
- 9 votes
#12 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 2:57 PM EDT{"commentId":9249170,"authorDomain":"deajon"}
Gee Reggie, we don't want it to fail, you think it's Obama's way or noway. There can be other ways to keep this country going, but Obama's failing left and right.
12 months ago, he had most of the country up his butt, now, that reality has hit, we find he's not the man we thought we voted for. And it's a hard pill to swallow. Because we were desperate for some "change", boy didn't expect his mess, and we are stuck with it for 3.5 more years, sadly. At least we found out early, not that we can do anything about it, lesson learned, that's for sure.
{"commentId":9249170,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"deajon"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":9306219,"authorDomain":"Carol-1960"}
ReggieK, are there any other Republicans like you? I had hoped that there were still a few who had some decency and common sense.
{"commentId":9306219,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"Carol-1960"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":9335451,"authorDomain":"mdmadden"}
I know for a fact that many Republicans jumped and voted for the voice of reason. Maybe one day the GOP will find itself but today is not that day.
{"commentId":9335451,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"mdmadden"}
{"commentId":9250126,"authorDomain":"willing-sniper"}
Republican Special Election Wins just since Obama took office:
(American citizens show displeasure with the lefts agenda…have been electing Republicans to state legislatures, just since Obama took office!)..
15 state seats won nationwide; a net PLUS of +5 more than they held previously!
Pennsylvania - House District 124
Jerry Knowles
Pennsylvania - State Senate District 29
David Argall
New Hampshire - House District 4
Marilinda Garcia
New Hampshire - Senate District 3
Jeb Bradley
Virginia - Del. House District 81
Barry Knight
Louisiana - Senate District 16
Dan Claitor
Alabama - House District 6
Phil Williams
Florida - Senate District 28
Joe Negron
Delaware - House District 6
Tom Kovach
Texas - Senate District 17
Joan Huffman
Connecticut - House District 70
Rosa Rebimbas
Maine - House District 85
Lance Harvell
South Carolina - House District 30
Steve Moss
Alabama - Senate District 7
Paul Sanford
Delaware - Senate District 19
Joe Booth
MORE TO COME! Republicans hold large gains over rival Democrats candidates for Governor in New Jersey and Virginia. In Nevada, Harry Reid is falling behind Republican challenger; he is predicted to lose his senate seat in 2010.
{"commentId":9250126,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"willing-sniper"}
- 4 votes
#13 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 4:27 PM EDT{"commentId":9250383,"authorDomain":"reddirthippy"}
I think their train is reaching the end of the line.
Ozzy fans.
Mental wounds not healing
Lifes a bitter shame
Im going off the rails on a crazy train
Mental wounds still screaming
Driving me insane
Im going off the rails on a crazy train
Mental wounds not healing
Who and whats to blame
Im going off the rails on a crazy train
{"commentId":9250383,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"reddirthippy"}
- 2 votes
#14 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 4:35 PM EDT{"commentId":9251817,"authorDomain":"tisnsc"}
Ha, Ha - Pardon me if I laugh. Look at the source of this poll - The Daily Kos? Can we trust it? Please, that would be like Planned Parenthood conducting a poll about abortion and expecting us to believe it's accuracy. Come on, folks - let's get real. According to REAL polls, Dems are in trouble and Obama's approval has tanked. You will see how popular Repubs are next year when the liberal Dems are voted out. Oh, I can't wait to see Nancy Pelosi's and Harry Reid's concession speeches.
{"commentId":9251817,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"tisnsc"}
- 3 votes
#15 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 5:21 PM EDT{"commentId":9251964,"authorDomain":"willing-sniper"}
And Republicans are winning state elections nationwide..........that is a direct result to the abuse of power by the Obama administration. You can say what you want.....but the fact is: Republican ARE winning across this country......this is exactly how it happened when Clinton lost his Dem. majority.....it all started with the backlash aginst Democrats in state legilature elections.
{"commentId":9251964,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"willing-sniper"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":9262996,"authorDomain":"tisnsc"}
Sorry if I don't trust anything sanctioned by the Daily Kos. And we don't know the methodology. Republicans are not the ones who "scare-monger." They are just pointing out the complete facts. Obama is the one who is a "scare-mongerer" to get what he wants. Oooh, we have to pass bills without reading them because otherwise the world will fall apart. Well, guess what - it's not making a difference and (you can verify this; not propaganda) a very small percentage of the money has been spent. And, a lot of the money given to states has been used to pay debt and their budgets, not those "shovel-ready" projects to grow the economy.
And someday he is going to use "scare-mongering" to take away your freedoms, just like every other despotic leader in history. Remember Rahm's statement: never let a crisis go to waste?
{"commentId":9262996,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"tisnsc"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":9263054,"authorDomain":"tisnsc"}
Oh, and 15.2 - if you don't believe me about his numbers, well read this - you might believe it, it's from ABC: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-challenged-health-care-afghanistan/story?id=8467371
And if you Google the issue, you will find plenty of other stories that say the same thing. If his popularity is this bad so earl, imagine how bad it will continue to get.
{"commentId":9263054,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"tisnsc"}
{"commentId":9269233,"authorDomain":"ninbyo"}
Popularity polls are not zero sum statistics, that means just because the president's approval is going down (still nearly double what W's were when he left office) doesn't mean republican approval ratings or going up.
This silly argument amounts to laughing at the guy with a flat tire on the side of the road as you drive by him and off a cliff. But hey, at least you got a few laughs in before you drove off into the abyss.
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- 5 votes
{"commentId":9252088,"authorDomain":"maverick4877"}
Losing? I guess thats why the dems expect to lose a min of 25 seats in the house in 2010.
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- 3 votes
#16 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 5:30 PM EDT{"commentId":9254243,"authorDomain":"willing-sniper"}
at least!
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":9252833,"authorDomain":"newsblog903"}
How ever you slice it or dice it, the Republicans have lost control of the party. One reason is allowing the nut cases to throw temper tantrums and shout out any moderation. Another is that they refuse to accept that President Obama won the election and they need to work with him instead of sulking. They are doing nothing to help the party but everything to embarrass it. All too many sane Republicans have left.
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- 5 votes
#17 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 5:57 PM EDT{"commentId":9253079,"authorDomain":"colinfleming"}
The polarity of politics in this nation sickens me. Everything that went wrong in George Bush's first term was blamed squarely on Bill Clinton by the Republicans while everything was blamed on George Bush by the Democrats. Now, everything that has gone wrong and will continue to go wrong in Barack Obama's first term is blamed squarely on George Bush by the Democrats while the Republicans blame everything on Barack Obama.
At what point do we say: You know what? I'm sick and tired of being a hypocrite. I think I'll take a look at the agenda, conclude for myself whether I want it passed or not, and respect the rights of others to hold their own opinions without thinking hatefully of them personally because of their political positions.
I believe, as an independent, that Barack Obama was born in the United States. I have seen the duplicate copy of his birth certificate and am satisfied by it. However, his agenda and spending concerns me. I was hoping when I voted for President Obama that he would get spending under control and begin to reduce our national debt, not threaten to add $1 trillion to it, and not increase the deficit by four times. So far, fiscally, President Obama has been a disappointment. My mind is not closed, but supporting him is becoming more and more difficult.
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#18 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 6:06 PM EDT{"commentId":9253235,"authorDomain":"newsblog903"}
At least Colin, you speak rationally and sensibly and present yourself in a logical manner. It's just too bad normal people with normal concerns like you and others can't get heard over the craziness of the right wing Reps.
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":9254725,"authorDomain":"colinfleming"}
I just do not believe that any one political party has the answer to our problems, and I have no patience for hypocrisy. I also believe that Democrats who are to the far left pose just as much irrationality and danger as Republicans who are to the far right.
I'm thankful that I can disassociate my opinion of a person personally with my opinion of a person politically. I wish everyone would do that. It'd make for much better debates and progress.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":9256760,"authorDomain":"tisnsc"}
You do make some good observations but the fact remains that to some extent the problems a president may face are remnants of the prior administration. Their genesis of an issue may have its roots in the prior admin. but did not come to fruition til the next. For example, Clinton's lax national security and view on terror allowed the terrorists to build up to 9/11. When Reagan came in, he had inherited the years of poor leadership and policies from Carter.
However, there does get to be a point where the president in power cannot blame someone else for their decisions - especially if they make an existing problem worse. Yes, the economy started to tank during the latter part of Bush's term, but why did Obama have to spend so much more money? How does putting you in debt even further help? And, what is frustrating is that there is evidence the Dems were not innocent in the whole mess, especially the housing mess. Yet they don't want to accept any responsbility; they keep blaming Bush. Funny how they had control of Congress for two years during Bush's term and didn't do anything to fix the problems they claim he had created. And even funnier how now they have power and a president of the same party, and they still can't do anything. Me thinks the problem is the Congress and they need to go!
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{"commentId":9258200,"authorDomain":"molaw"}
I agree with these observations also especially the one about the Congress has to go. If you notice there have been quite a few one term politicians that not run again indicating this isn't for me,they didn't want any part of what they saw or were asked to do they went home.
We are such a diverse nation with so many wants and needs and as many philsophies to match. There is nothing wrong with that it's called freedom of thought and action.
I know some of you will not accept this thought , but what if we gave the Republicans and Democrats a real alternative for the country. I know there are several other "I have a better idea parties" out there and they get almost zero news coverage and hardly any real time in the public eye. But if there is anything we have seen these past few weeks town hall meetings have been in our face on every channel.People have listened. Because we got off of our duffs and spoke out.
We have almost three years to attempt a change in our new direction.Start a REAL CHOICE for all of the people call it the American Party, The Realists Party,The Freedom Party,or the Gingerbread Man Party I don't care.
If other Americans want change they can bring millions for a march on Washington...How many could we all bring if we really wanted to..and the thing is we need to...There are enough like thinking citizens in All of the existing parties to form one very strong group of citizens ..me I don't need to be labeled I want what the founders of this country wanted Freedom for all ..not a bunch good old boys getting want they want and leaving us the crumbs and sometimes not even those.
Create a party for all of the people
And there have to be term limits demanded by the citizens the Congress will never introduce it.
Read something interesting ..if things continue as they are could this happen?
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{"commentId":9335786,"authorDomain":"mdmadden"}
It does not matter whether it is the Republican or the Whig party. As long as you have two teams people will be pro and anti just like now. Look at the Yankees and Red Sox for an example. This is the way people are.
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{"commentId":9253416,"authorDomain":"servus-aus-tex"}
Dems are in trouble? I don't think so. The Republicans are in trouble, that's why they are acting even more insane as of late than usual.
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- 5 votes
#19 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 6:22 PM EDT{"commentId":9254869,"authorDomain":"colinfleming"}
I wish both parties would be in trouble. The spending that sprouted grasshopper legs under President Bush and wings under President Obama is outrageous. No party seems to focus on it, or the bloating of government.
The Republicans are in trouble because they are so disorganized within their own party between the moderate Republicans and the fundamental conservatives they have become ineffective in campaigns and don't win - they also ruined party and independent perceptions of them as the party of fiscal responsibility thanks to George Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress. The Democrats are in trouble because they are breaking campaign promises of bipartisanship, transparency, fiscal responsibility, and are coming off as condescending now that they have control of the White House and Congress.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":9255133,"authorDomain":"servus-aus-tex"}
How can there be bipartisanship when the Republcans have an obvious campaign afoot to just say no to anything and everything Obama or the Democrats put out there? The Republicans have gotten so extreme, they are completely insane over Obama giving a speech to school children. The same basic speech all Presidents give. Stay in school, study, work hard, take interest and pride in your community, do public service.
The Republicans have turned THAT into "Obama is going to brainwash and propagandize your children with Socialism, Communism and Nazi ideas".
How can you have bipartisanship in that kind of atmosphere?
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":9256824,"authorDomain":"tisnsc"}
servus, 19.2 - Bipartisanship implies both sides work together. They present ideas, the other side listens, and they arrive at a compromise. A good mediation or settlement is when both sides are unhappy. In other words, neither side gets EVERYTHING they want. In this case, we do not have bipartisanship because he Dems say we don't care what they say. We are not going to consider what they bring to the table. Don't you remember the statements early on by the lovely Pelosi, I believe, or maybe even the president - too bad,we won. The Republicans have bills and ideas but they are being ignored by the libs. I know people say Repubs have been hijacked by the "right-wingers." Well, I suggest the Dems look at their party because the far-left have hijacked that party.
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{"commentId":9266877,"authorDomain":"servus-aus-tex"}
All the bills the Republicans have, are in the interests of the insurance companies, not the healthcare consumer. The Republican bills say kill the public option. Which means, nothing will really change.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":9266931,"authorDomain":"SBVOR"}
{"commentId":9254224,"authorDomain":"willing-sniper"}
It's just Like a Democrat ....to not see the writing on the wall....with multiple Republican wins....since Obama took office and began his far-left destruction & dismantling of the country.
He will be gone soon.....eveidently everyone knows it and is voting Republican ( see #13)
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- 2 votes
#20 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 7:02 PM EDT{"commentId":9255174,"authorDomain":"servus-aus-tex"}
Republicans are self-destructing. They have nothing but radicals as spokespersons. Obama will be re-elected.
{"commentId":9255174,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"servus-aus-tex"}
- 4 votes
#21 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 8:01 PM EDT{"commentId":9255768,"authorDomain":"jpalm32"}
Republicans are doing fine! Obama man is a jerk and liar!
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#22 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 8:40 PM EDT{"commentId":9255769,"authorDomain":"kgpage321"}
The polls don't show that Obama will make it two terms. His numbers drop everyday. Sorry to see him go, Its been entertaining.
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#23 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 8:40 PM EDT{"commentId":9260072,"authorDomain":"BlueLeftHand"}
The next election cycle is going to be about slapping every Republican upside the head with what the unhinged freaks of the party have to say.
We're going to hang 'birthers' 'deathers' teabaggers' around your necks like stinking albatrosses.
Enjoy your well-deserved demise. Now THAT'S entertainment.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":9269271,"authorDomain":"ninbyo"}
All this craziness may indeed come back to haunt them in the run up to midterms. The days of playing to small crowds are over, thanks to cell phone cameras and youtube. Politicians can't say one thing to one group and another to the next anymore.
{"commentId":9269271,"threadId":"667770","contentId":"3221683","authorDomain":"ninbyo"}
- 1 vote
{"commentId":9256366,"authorDomain":"sierramountains"}
Republicans have not learned yet from the lesson of 2008. McCain listened to his close advisors to go for Palin and suck up to the right wing extremists instead of a leading primaries GOP candidate. The result was that he lost by a big margin. And the same people trying to convince us the GOP will win can't even identify a viable candidate right now.
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- 2 votes
#24 - Fri Sep 4, 2009 9:16 PM EDT{"commentId":9257490,"authorDomain":"chigger19"}
You can believe that the Republicans are fading all you want. It doesn't matter one way or another because: The American People are rising and making their voices heard. Americans have decided that they don't need a D or an R behind their names. A for American is wll we need.
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