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"Papiere, Bitte!" -- Arkansas City Imposes 24-hour Curfew, ACLU Cries 'Foul'
News Type: Event — Seeded on Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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Officers armed with military rifles, some with laser sights, have been stopping and questioning passers-by in a neighborhood plagued by violence that's been under a 24-hour curfew for a week.
Chief Fred Fielder says only those acting nervous or lacking good reasons for being out get extra attention.On Tuesday, the Helena-West Helena City Council voted 9-0 to allow police to expand that program into any area of the city, despite a warning from a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union of Arkansas that the police stops were unconstitutional.
..."Now, if somebody wants to sue us, they have an option to sue, but I'm fairly certain that a judge will see it the way the way the citizens see it here," Mayor James Valley said. "The citizens deserve peace, that some infringement on constitutional rights is OK, and we have not violated anything as far as the Constitution."
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{"commentId":2463503,"authorDomain":"iarnuocon"}
What. An. @!$%#.
I see two problems, here:
- The mayor, intoxicated with the success of the not necessarily unreasonable nightly curfew he imposed in 2006 as a response to a rash of burglaries, has decided to take yet a further step down the slippery slope into totalitarianism.
- None of these people seems to have actually read the Constitution.
Guess what, Mayor McCheese? The "citizens" don't get to arbitrarily decide they want to ignore the Constitution, which you quite clearly have violated (off the top of my head I can see violations of freedom of movement, freedom of assembly, and freedom from unreasonable search and seizure)); and if you think a judge will see it your way, you deserve the gigantic class-action lawsuit that will bankrupt your @!$%#ing town.
WTF, MF? When did Arkansas become Siberia?
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- 11 votes
#1 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:23 AM EDT{"commentId":2463901,"authorDomain":"sgreenway"}
I'm usually not one to go all Nathaniel Bacon, but if it were me in that town, and I wasn't allowed out of my own house, you better bet there would be an up rising.
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- 7 votes
{"commentId":2464518,"authorDomain":"shanman56"}
YES, there would be HELL to pay!
{"commentId":2464518,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"shanman56"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2465431,"authorDomain":"ffeineandsugar"}
There may well be hell to pay anyways. Civil rights violations cost how much? And if you really want to bring it, maybe forced imprisonment? Sic 'em, ACLU!
{"commentId":2465431,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"ffeineandsugar"}
- 5 votes
{"commentId":2465537,"authorDomain":"pmags"}
This is totally banana republic! I blame Bush/Cheney.
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{"commentId":2466280,"authorDomain":"myriver"}
WTF, MF? When did Arkansas become Siberia?
Arkansas has been on a power-trip from hell for a few decades now. Where else in America are we finding control freaks like this? Go live there for 26 years. Yeah....I dare ya. :-)
{"commentId":2466280,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"myriver"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2468359,"authorDomain":"fugitive247"}
River, no kidding! Holy guacamole - I can't believe it's become a reality, especially after the public outcry only a few days ago.
Clipped to the NV Arkansas News group.
{"commentId":2468359,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"fugitive247"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2469331,"authorDomain":"dwemmy"}
This got seeded by Cranky Old Man about 5 days ago. A bunch of MSNBCers found it and commented that it was fan-tas-tic! One gentleman went so far as to say that he'd bring the cops a dozen doughnuts because he was so fearful of anarchy. Another got snotty wondering when the ACLU would show their mugs.
No sarcasm there.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2472332,"authorDomain":"myriver"}
River, no kidding! Holy guacamole - I can't believe it's become a reality,
Fugitive, I'm in shock myself. The Delta region is all-to-familiar with economic strife, not only in Arkansas, but Tennessee, Mississippi, and Louisiana as well. With economic strife, of course, comes higher crime rates and a greater sense of despair. I am extremely concerned about the oppressive stance that law enforcement has taken, and expect it to bleed over into other areas as conditions continue to deteriorate there. The sociological ramifications of this can trigger widespread civic unrest, and law enforcement can ill afford that.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2474663,"authorDomain":"fugitive247"}
Agreed, River. The delta region is in a precarious situation. It's times like these that I'm doggone grateful to be neither in that area, nor anywhere near one of Arkansas' larger cities, for that matter.
Martial law in Fulton County? Shyeaaaah, riiiight. Something like that would probably be less well received than a young lady wearing a red spaghetti-strapped mini dress to a church social.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2463952,"authorDomain":"tj"}
On Tuesday, the Helena-West Helena City Council voted 9-0 to allow police to expand that program into any area of the city
Well apparently the Mayor is not alone. But the larger problem may be that the town does not have sufficient policing or they have not enforced the law with the individuals who are causing the problem.
Shutting the whole place down on the actions of a few really reflects some larger problems that bring a mayor and a entire council to think like this.
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- 7 votes
#2 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:55 AM EDT{"commentId":2464689,"authorDomain":"shanman56"}
Those actions DON"T reflect a LARGER problem, they reflect the NORM that has taken hold of this country AND IT SUCKS!
You are always guilty now, INSTANTLY WRONG, and must prove your own innocense while taking time out of work to do it. AND we make laws to protect all the IDIOTS that would have been dead due to survival of the fittist OR naturtal selection. You know, like people sueing McDs for a HOT coffee that they spill on themselves because they are a MORON and put that HOT coffee between thier legs while driving! Oh, she can't be held responsible for that, give her $2M and spend Millions more to tell people that the HOT coffee is ACTUALLY HOT and needs to be treated with respect and care! Would this idiot NOT have complained if her HOT coffee were COLD? Of course she would because that would be McDs fault as well! If she were a member of my family I would have OFFED her myself for being so STUPID!
The fact is, most things that happen to you ARE your fault or cause, so Step-the-F-up and lay claim to being an idiot for once, so we the smarter people don't have to suffer for your lack of intelligence!
If we could actually punish criminals for their actions tit-for-tat, they would think twice about commiting crimes against others. Stop giving in to this BS of the government "protecting" us from harm, we can bear arms dammit! Break into my house F-ers, I'll make sure you don't have any more kids to keep this crap from perpetuating (you would not see the light of day again)!
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2465225,"authorDomain":"tj"}
Shan-man here's hoping you are not near Helena :P
{"commentId":2465225,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"tj"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2465455,"authorDomain":"ffeineandsugar"}
Of course, I tried protecting my family from a road rage vigilante, and got in trouble with my right-wing neighbors. Again, its all great in theory, but just don't do it in MY backyard....
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- 4 votes
{"commentId":2464061,"authorDomain":"jackk"}
"Shutting the whole place down on the actions of a few really reflects some larger problems that bring a mayor and a entire council to think like this"
Yep, the larger problem is the violence from organized crime that is involved in drug dealing. When will we learn???
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- 1 vote
#3 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:04 PM EDT{"commentId":2464797,"authorDomain":"shanman56"}
Yeah, make sure that you arrest all those people laughing and having a good time because they smoked some of natures MJ! Those are the bastards ruining our country, NOT!
Just because a weed is SO HURTFUL to you all!
Organized crime (not weed dealers) are so strong becuase we do NOT punish them!
Make it stand and make it hurt for once! A prison should be like the outdoor ones in Texas, where the criminals wear pink and pay for their own food by working for it like WE DO!
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2465544,"authorDomain":"jackk"}
"Yeah, make sure that you arrest all those people laughing and having a good time because they smoked some of natures MJ! Those are the bastards ruining our country, NOT! "
Couldn't agree with you more.
"Organized crime (not weed dealers) are so strong becuase we do NOT punish them! "
Like it or not, currently weed dealers are a part of organized crime because selling weed is still illegal in this country.
"Make it stand and make it hurt for once! A prison should be like the outdoor ones in Texas, where the criminals wear pink and pay for their own food by working for it like WE DO! "
Yeah, or we could stop locking people up for drug offenses. Make it, sell it, tax it, regulate it, and use it right here in the US like we currently do with "prescription" drugs, alcohol and tobacco. Our prisons are already overcrowded and the majority of the people in there are drug offenders. I'm tired of my tax dollars being wasted and having to put up with the violence that this nonsensical logic creates.
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2468710,"authorDomain":"douglasq"}
Many dealing crack cocaine and marijuana in the city carry pistols and AK-47 assault rifles, he said.
Obviously it is more than just a little pot.
I used to live in AR (granted, a couple decades ago) and am amazed that this could be going in the a one-horse town like Helena.
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{"commentId":2469020,"authorDomain":"jackk"}
"Obviously it is more than just a little pot."
Ditto what I said above for cocaine and heroin.
"I used to live in AR (granted, a couple decades ago) and am amazed that this could be going in the a one-horse town like Helena."
This kind of BS is going on almost every town and city now. I'm so sick of all the violence.
I would much rather deal with the extra addicts that will be inevitable at first. But, just like people have learned to beat their addiction to alcohol and prescription drugs, the same will happen with cocaine and heroin.
If we spend just half of what were spending on the drug war on addiction treatment, there could be a free to the public rehab center on every block.
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2469359,"authorDomain":"dwemmy"}
If we spend just half of what were spending on the drug war on addiction treatment, there could be a free to the public rehab center on every block.
Better yet, let's dismantle the DEA and spend all that money on treatment.
BTW, after seeing a video, the mayor of this town is an uneducated fool.
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- 5 votes
{"commentId":2464572,"authorDomain":"jwbuchan"}
"As far as I'm concerned, at 3 o'clock in the morning, nobody has any business being on the street, except the law," Councilman Eugene "Red" Johnson said. "Anyone out at 3 o'clock shouldn't be out on the street, unless you're going to the hospital."
C'mon, how perfect is it that this guy's nickname is Red?
And do you think that the ACLU just looks at this and laughs? It's just a total freebie.
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- 6 votes
#4 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:45 PM EDT{"commentId":2465737,"authorDomain":"jackk"}
Lol, yeah should be a slam dunk. I can just hear Red now:
Now looky here you got dang liberal hippies. You caint tell me how to run this town. Out at 3 in the mornin? It just aint natral...
{"commentId":2465737,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"jackk"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2464603,"authorDomain":"babin"}
I agree it is a slippery slope but coming from Memphis and knowing how crime destroys a city it's good to see the city gov't and police force say enough is enough and stop it in it's tracks.
If accomplished properly and not abused.
{"commentId":2464603,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"babin"}
- 1 vote
#5 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:47 PM EDT{"commentId":2464737,"authorDomain":"shanman56"}
Those fine lines are NOT maintained, EVER!
We give them and inch and they take our freedoms and claim it as protection.
We cannot let this keep happening people! Say "NO" to the locator chips (they are here and being tested) and rebel against anyone trying to take away your right's (ALL OF THEM, not which suits YOU best)!
{"commentId":2464737,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"shanman56"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2485959,"authorDomain":"DrKnow"}
"If they have not done anything wrong, they do not have anything to worry about." The cops excuse to do whatever they want to when they want to.
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{"commentId":2465071,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}
Fielder said officers had not arrested anyone for violating the curfew, only questioned people about why they were outside. Those without good answers or those who are acting nervously get additional attention, Fielder said.
You need a good reason to be outside? And acting nervous around people carrying M-16s is cause for suspicion? Wonderful.
{"commentId":2465071,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}
- 6 votes
#6 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:26 PM EDT{"commentId":2465082,"authorDomain":"seastar"}
I'm American, not German. But why is it that we continue to abuse and insult today's Germans every time we confront authoritarian abuse ("Papiere Bitte"!) within our own borders? Modern Germany is very different from what many Americans seem to imagine. If we want to compare ourselves to Germany, lets first consider the German health-care or social security systems. When it comes to oppressive authority we have plenty of that at home, such as US Customs seizing traveler's laptops without warrant or stated reasons.
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#7 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:27 PM EDT{"commentId":2465214,"authorDomain":"sgreenway"}
Sie sind nicht Deutsch, wie Sie würde wissen?
If one can draw a parallel from an action of today with an action taken in the past, and that action just happens to be a prevalent event in German history, then I would say it is relevent.
{"commentId":2465214,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"sgreenway"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2467406,"authorDomain":"iarnuocon"}
What BAjunkie said. I could as easily put "бумаги, пожалуйста" in the title, but
- not many people speak Russian
- most people don't have Cyrillic support installed on their computer
- given the two points above, the connotation that a 24-hour curfew is tantamount to totalitarianism that is made in the title might have been lost
No insult is intended toward the German citizens of today, but the historical connections that immediately come to mind with Nazi control of captive societies when the phrase is uttered should easily supersede any notion that the phrase is meant to insult present day Germans (whose society is admirable in many ways).
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2470269,"authorDomain":"kurtdermensch"}
Because German bashing is culturally acceptable. Clear and simple. It is tolerated and Germans are not permitted nor are they provided the same options or avenues of recourse that other ethnicity's are when crimes or acts of hatred, abuse and racism occur. Just watch the entertainment, movies of late etc... that would never be permitted with any other race or culture.
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{"commentId":2472048,"authorDomain":"seastar"}
Aber ich kann das Deutsch ziemlich gut verstehen und sprechen.....
The point I am making is that these modern infringements upon our personal freedoms are of our own making. It has a lot more to do with our new "Big Brother" mindset than with any National Socialist-style oppression. The effects may be similar but the roots of the problem are different. Besides, I just don't like the propagation of stereotypes in any way.
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2472674,"authorDomain":"kurtdermensch"}
seastar,
Gutig! Vielleicht können Wir von zeit zu zeit deutsches Gesprächs behalten...aber zu Moment es etwas wichtiger am vor, nicht wahr?..lach....
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{"commentId":2474122,"authorDomain":"Griff69"}
The point I am making is that these modern infringements upon our personal freedoms are of our own making.
Whereas the historical example of 1930 Germany was different somehow? The infringements then were also of their own making.
Besides, I just don't like the propagation of stereotypes in any way.
I can understand that, but I think you're confused on who is being stereotyped. There is no comparison above to "today's Germans." The comparison is between the German jack-booted thugs of the period and the American jackbooted thugs today; or even the German people then who allowed things to happen and the American people today who are allowing things to happen. In those two cases, I have no problem with stereotyping: thugs are thugs and sheep are sheep.
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{"commentId":2474466,"authorDomain":"kurtdermensch"}
And: A horse is a horse of course of course... and no one can talk to a horse of course....unless of course unless that horse is the famous Mr Ed!
It's not that big of a deal. nobody meant any harm and there was no malice intended anyway. It was just a reference to fascism being applied here in the US and I don't understand how it can be done without Marshall Law having been declared myself but it's the sign of the times we're living in....
They have horrid and incompetent Administrative oversight from what I can see and someone will get shot when one of these Redneck Barney Fifes decide to get trigger happy and apply their misappropriated power one of these nights. You watch and see!
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- 3 votes
{"commentId":2475910,"authorDomain":"Griff69"}
They have horrid and incompetent Administrative oversight from what I can see and someone will get shot when one of these Redneck Barney Fifes decide to get trigger happy and apply their misappropriated power one of these nights. You watch and see!
Absolutely agreed, here.
It was just a reference to fascism being applied here in the US and I don't understand how it can be done without Marshall Law having been declared myself but it's the sign of the times we're living in....
What most of America misses, though, is that it's not a simple either/or. There is no "fascist on/off switch. There's a long slide into fascism. Each time America takes a step on that road, a few people scream "WTF are you doing?" and the rest all go "That could never happen here." The more Iarnuocons we have flashing lights and pointing and screaming, the better, because it CAN happen here, if we let it. There are still steps on the path before martial law. We don't have to let our 'elected leaders' take those steps.
{"commentId":2475910,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"Griff69"}
- 4 votes
{"commentId":2475969,"authorDomain":"kurtdermensch"}
Absolutely agreed here!
but people have been sounding that alarm for How long? with warnings about the 2nd amendment and the constant and persistent intrusion into the family and personal life, business with legislative and governmental oppression and permits and registrations and licensure for everything and all things but we have become evermore leftist and liberal in that regard with the "Ban it" and "Jail em" mindset that we now have the highest incarceration rate in human history and (by far) more laws than Red China (and that's a fact) because everything is illegal here!
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- 2 votes
{"commentId":2465510,"authorDomain":"LonoKemp"}
Chief Fred Fielder says only those acting nervous or lacking good reasons for being out get extra attention.
-That's way to much discretion for any officer on the street to have, jerk-off power-tripper or otherwise.
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- 3 votes
#8 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:03 PM EDT{"commentId":2465950,"authorDomain":"skal"}
*sigh* I'm just about done packing to go back to AR for college, how depressing. Luckily my college is private and is pretty anti-cops on campus.
{"commentId":2465950,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"skal"}
- 3 votes
#9 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:44 PM EDT{"commentId":2466226,"authorDomain":"myriver"}
Luckily my college is private and is pretty anti-cops on campus.
OBU?
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- 1 vote
{"commentId":2467261,"authorDomain":"skal"}
Hendrix
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{"commentId":2467487,"authorDomain":"myriver"}
It's a good place, but I didn't realize it was a private campus. One of my exes went to OBU.
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{"commentId":2468728,"authorDomain":"douglasq"}
I almost went to Hendrix. But one of my goals when selecting a college was to get the Hell out of Arkansas.
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{"commentId":2467279,"authorDomain":"4dawnash"}
Geez. When will freedom come back? I hate the aclu, but this time I may have to side with them. Personally, I think democracy is going to collapse over the next 20 yrs or so. Too much lawlessnes, and of course the response of gov. officials is to keep all citizens under total control. Freedom is a thing of the past.
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#10 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:36 PM EDT{"commentId":2467701,"authorDomain":"Brad-Leclerc"}
that some infringement on constitutional rights is OK, and we have not violated anything as far as the Constitution.
so it's ok to infringe on their rights....but they aren't infringing on their rights? uh......yikes. This sort of thing is just a hop, skip, and jump away from being a police state....in fact....forget the skip and the jump...this is just creepy stuff.
{"commentId":2467701,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"Brad-Leclerc"}
- 3 votes
#11 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:19 PM EDT{"commentId":2467778,"authorDomain":"jwbuchan"}
it sounds like he's trying to draw a distinction between infringing and violating. IMO, no such distinction exists.
{"commentId":2467778,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"jwbuchan"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2467958,"authorDomain":"Griff69"}
Chief Fred Fielder says only those acting nervous or lacking good reasons for being out get extra attention.
I can see it now...
"What's your reason for being on the street?"
"Uhm, 'cause I thought this was America?"
{"commentId":2467958,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"Griff69"}
- 3 votes
#12 - Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:47 PM EDT{"commentId":2468352,"authorDomain":"iarnuocon"}
"Up against the wall, troublemaker!"
{"commentId":2468352,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"iarnuocon"}
- 3 votes
{"commentId":2470011,"authorDomain":"Griff69"}
See? Told you it wasn't the cigarettes that'd get me...
{"commentId":2470011,"threadId":"332545","contentId":"1750827","authorDomain":"Griff69"}
- 2 votes
{"commentId":2470895,"authorDomain":"jsquaredrev"}
Well it seems like a little Arkansan stupidity on the part of some martinette of a local official can bring the far right and the far left together.
I feel all warm and fuzzy now, don't you?
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#13 - Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:27 AM EDT{"commentId":2470911,"authorDomain":"inanna"}
I find this offensive partly because I am frequently out at 3am, 4am, and lots of other "AM" times that dont' involve daylight. I worked midnight shifts for years, I still work late shifts frequently, not getting out of work until 1am or later. I don't commit crimes, don't deal drugs or do them, but I am insomniac, and sometimes it's nice to not be in your house constantly - last night I took a drive at 4am, for no reason other than the fact that I could, and I like the deserted streets and cool night air.. I like to walk at night too..
Even the fact that I could be stopped for this would be offensive to me. Just because YOUR society is 9-5 does not mean that mine is, Mr Mayor, and just because my society is not, does not mean that it is illegal.
I mean, seriously, do you go to bed straight away when getting home from work? I sure don't.. and if I'm not sleeping, it's hardly fair to say that I can't go out somewhere for reasons that aren't life threatening. You like to go out to eat after work? Do you think those restaurant workers work late because they enjoy your company?. How about Nurses? Doctors? Policemen? Any one of a thousand other professions that does not live in the daylight world? You can't have 24 hour convenience, and then expect the people that make that possible NOT to live their lives when they choose.
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- 2 votes
#14 - Sat Aug 16, 2008 1:29 AM EDT{"commentId":2474028,"authorDomain":"4dawnash"}
"Because German bashing is culturally acceptable. Clear and simple. It is tolerated and Germans are not permitted nor are they provided the same options or avenues of recourse that other ethnicity's are when crimes or acts of hatred, abuse and racism occur. Just watch the entertainment, movies of late etc... that would never be permitted with any other race or culture. "
True, and I am proud of my Italian/German heritage. It is ok to stereotype men, especially white married ones, married couples, Christian folks, anybody who holds traditional values, etc. funny how the groups that whine free speech and expression, intolerance and bigotry, often perpetuate the same intolerance to others who disagree with them or belong to groups they think are unacceptable (generally white and male, or married, period).
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- 1 vote
#15 - Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:32 PM EDT{"commentId":2474218,"authorDomain":"levato76"}
please dear god dont try to tell me you really believe that christians arent out there stereotyping people every day right along side every other ignorant jerk
or that the only ones who @!$%# about intolerance are whiney non-christians
funny how the groups that whine free speech and expression, intolerance and bigotry, often perpetuate the same intolerance to others who disagree with them or belong to groups they think are unacceptable
hell this even sounds like a definition of modern christians
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{"commentId":2474464,"authorDomain":"4dawnash"}
"hell this even sounds like a definition of modern christians' Most Christians are very vocal about what should and should not be tolerated. It is the left that claims to be tolerant of virtually everything, majority be damned. Main difference between Christians and leftists is that Christians will tell you they are not tolerant of things, whereas libs claim to support equality (read-special rights for those they deem worthy) and tolerance....for those that agree with them. Dont hear too many Christians saying we should tolerate everything. In fact, we feel too much is "tolerated" in the name of "feeling good."
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#16 - Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:42 PM EDT{"commentId":2478017,"authorDomain":"levato76"}
so being ignorant bigots is better than being whiny?
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{"commentId":2478358,"authorDomain":"4dawnash"}
"so being ignorant bigots is better than being whiny? "
That is not what I said. You made the statement that Chrisitans whine about intolerance. I simply stated they admit their intolerance. I was not making a moral assessmetn of what I think about either's beliefs. I was pointing out a fact. Not too many Christians make their claim to fame by bragging about how "open minded" they are. That's the left's job. Here is my statement with your response, for clarity:
"
funny how the groups that whine free speech and expression, intolerance and bigotry, often perpetuate the same intolerance to others who disagree with them or belong to groups they think are unacceptable"
This was your response:
hell this even sounds like a definition of modern christians "
Christians are famous for preaching tolerance toward gays and open mindedness. Most feel there is too much tolerance today.
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#17 - Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:57 AM EDT{"commentId":2480141,"authorDomain":"wbrianwhite"}
Small note Dawn - if you use the Reply button in a thread it will keep the comments organized together in one box.
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{"commentId":2483798,"authorDomain":"4dawnash"}
Brian-you are the second person to advise me of this, and I did it now. Thanks!!!
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